The Trump-Musk Fallout + A DOGE Coder Speaks + ChefGPT
“We’re having a broligarchy blowup of the highest order.”
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This week, Kevin and Casey discuss the sudden breakdown between President Trump and Elon Musk, whose disagreements over the policy bill before Congress quickly erupted into an all-out feud. Then, an ex-DOGE coder explains what it was really like to work inside the Trump administration’s cost-cutting arm. And finally, the former New York Times restaurant critic Pete Wells explains why some chefs are turning to A.I. for inspiration.
Guests:
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Sahil Lavingia, C.E.O. of Gumroad, who spent 55 days working for DOGE
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Pete Wells, New York Times restaurant critic from 2012 through 2024
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Credits
“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Whitney Jones and Rachel Cohn. This episode was edited by Matt Collette. Engineering by Chris Wood and original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Sophia Lanman and Rowan Niemisto. Fact-checking by Ena Alvarado and Will Peischel. Our executive producer is Jen Poyant.
Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Dahlia Haddad and Jeffrey Miranda.
